Resignation points possibily incorrect (was: How to resign)
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Backgammon Hub Admin
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Don Goldman 🇺🇸 (dongoldman)
thank you
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Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer]
Don Goldman 🇺🇸 (dongoldman), use the flag button to the left of the screen to resign a game. It will ask you to confirm and indicate how many points you will concede.
You can't offer a gammon if a backgammon is possible, so you need to play on for a gammon or to bear a checker off, where applicable.
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Martin Brown (maartjebabes)
Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer] Hi Alfie. I’ve seen a situation where a backgammon is not possible but I still can’t resign a gammon.
Imagine white has a single blot on his 21 (so even a 2-1 will get him of the kitchen) whilst black has 5 men on the ace.
Is the logic, that white could still make a blunder and not move his tail-man two rolls in a row and thus a backgammon is still possible if he is that bad a player?
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Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer]
Martin Brown (maartjebabes) my initial reply wasn't clear enough, sorry.
Hub just looks at the state of the current board, not future possibilities. So if you still have a checker in your home board you will be offering a backgammon, regardless of what's inevitably going to happen in the following moves.
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Martin Brown (maartjebabes)
Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer]Thanks Alfie. Does that mean it's possible to resign a single game when a (back)gammon is theoretically possible? I can envisage a case where the laggard player has hit the last man (like is the coup Classique) but is forced to leave a blot in his home board?
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Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer]
Martin Brown (maartjebabes) I don't think so. The logic is pretty simple from your perspective hitting the resign button. If you have a checker in your home board or on the bar: backgammon. If you have cleared your home board but not borne off any checkers: gammon. If you have borne of a checker: single game.
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Martin Brown (maartjebabes)
Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer] So just out of interest, Alfie, could white resign a gammon in this [contrived] position? White on roll, but there is a >10% backgammon chance. Tell me if I'm being annoying now!
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Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer]
Martin Brown (maartjebabes) hahah no problem.
If white were to resign it would be a gammon, because white has not borne off any checkers.
I see what you're getting at now... you could argue this is unfair on black because they still have a chance of a backgammon by hitting white on their way home. Interesting.
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Martin Brown (maartjebabes)
Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer] Thats the point, yes. Glad you said interesting not annoying! I wonder if it's ever cost someone in real life?
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Denis-George Constantin (playhunter)
Alfie Kirkpatrick [Developer] on the other hand, white can still win this game ! But yes, Martin is correct, white is much more likely to lose a backgammon instead of winning this game, so for white to give up a gammon without black's permission would be unfair for black.
Maybe as long as a future contact is still possible and one player didn't borne off any checker, then that player should not be able to resign with gammon yet (even if he is out of opponent's base). But if there a future contact is no longer possible, then he should be allowed to give up a gammon provided he is out of opponents base and not on the bar.